Some things I need to say *update Aug 7*

June 26, 2008

This is a very difficult thing for me to do. I currently feel like I have lost the one person in the world that I thought I could trust with everything. Not only has it become clear that I could not trust her, it’s also clear that she has lied to me and to others, for a very long time.

I’m going to lay the facts and the numbers on the table. What you decide to do with them is up to you. At least I’ll know that the truth is out there for everyone to see. I have absolutely nothing to hide. It isn’t telling the truth that is difficult; what has caused me so much pain is facing what the truth is.

First, I’m going to give you the background of the story. In order to understand how things got to where they are, it’s necessary to know how they began.

I lost primary custody of my four oldest children to my mentally abusive and physically abusive, ex-husband following a lengthy, very bitter dispute. After spending every cent to my name, then going deeply into debt, eventually I no longer had the financial means to continue the fight, and so he won.

I’ve since remarried and have two small children with my husband. Anyone with children knows, you cannot replace a child, and my deepest wish remains to be able to see my four oldest children. Their father chose to move out of State to the other side of the country, and after paying child support for the four of them, plus all of my previous debts incurred from the custody dispute, I was still very much in the hole every month. Going for a visit, no matter how much I wanted and needed to, was just not possible.

My ex-husband was 30 when we got married. I was just 18. Our first child was born shortly after, and our second was born less than a year and a half after the first. We had four children under the age of 5 by the time I was 24. During the time that most people are at school studying for their future careers, I was at home – with a newborn, a toddler and a manic depressive, suicidal, abusive husband. I never got any job training of the sort that provides a decent income.
Even though I had two children with my new husband, I still had four others I had to help provide for. I was desperate for some way to earn a decent income without leaving my two youngest children in daycare, which we couldn’t afford anyway. Then I heard about Second Life®, and how one can have a business there – finally there was a light at the end of a long, dark tunnel. I had to make it work.

I created my avatar in Second Life in June 2006. I applied to be a Linden Lab® Instructor as soon as I was able to (there was an age requirement) got the position and taught several classes a week to help bring in some cash in addition to what we earned with the store. Every waking moment that was not devoted to taking care of my family was spent working to build the Calla brand and to teach as many classes as possible. The first store, known then as TLC (for Tigerlily Creations) opened in late July 2006, and would later grow to become Calla. By February 2007, Calla was on its own island.

Haedon was working a full-time, RL job back then, and not able to devote much time to building the brand, or making products at that point. I didn’t expect her to because she was working full time. We shared profits 50/50 because she made the buildings we were in, and the land was in her name (We were mainland at that point and there were the Linden Lab tier fees). Once I started selling any products, I gave her 50% of my sales to cover land costs.

In January 2007, Haedon’s RL job downsized, and she was able to devote full-time to Calla. At that point, we agreed that we would share the work at Calla, as well as the profits or losses, by splitting everything 50/50. We were already sharing profits 50/50 but now she would be able to share the work, the PR time, the customer service help, and everything else, too.

The vast majority of the effort devoted to Calla was mine, not Haedon’s as I have learned she is telling people. Nor did she ever carry my weight, as she apparently is also trying to convince others. You do not have to take anyone’s word on that though. The numbers speak for themselves:

Tigerlily – created 113 styles, which equals 71.5% of the total Calla line.

Haedon – created 45 styles, which equals 28.5% of the total Calla line.

In addition to me making the vast majority of the styles available at Calla, I made 100% of all the hair textures (old and new), paid for 100% of uploading the textures. I created and uploaded all of the product ads (with the exception of the piercings and cat collars Haedon made). I dealt with listing all of Calla’s products, both mine and hers, on SLX and SLB/OnRez.(and anyone who’s done that and created ads, knows how terribly time-consuming it is).

I commissioned, and paid for out of my own pocket, for the Calla logo to be designed by a marketing professional/graphic artist. I paid for exclusive use rights to the image she created. Haedon didn’t offer to pay for half, and I didn’t demand payment from her.

I requested that Linden Lab add Calla to the fashion listing pages before they switched to the showcase format.

I paid for domain registration of three domains for Calla, as well as the monthly charges for website hosting out of my own pocket. I’ve maintained the website entirely on my own. Although Haedon had full access to blog posting tools on the website, 85% of the blog posts were written by me.

Despite what Haedon has apparently told people, she did not bring in most of the income; she did not even bring in half as was her obligation, since she received half of the total Calla profits. In fact, Haedon and her products brought in only a minor percentage of the Calla earnings. But, she still took 50% of the profit.

You can see the numbers for yourself here. My husband created a database I use as a business tool. I upload all of my monthly transactions provided by Linden Lab. Please be patient, the page has to tally almost a million records of raw data from the last two years each time you load the page, and it runs slow on the best days.

The amount I have received from her product sales over the last two years is 1,492,372 Linden dollars – $5,632USD at a 265/1 exchange rate.

The amount she has received from my products over the last two years is 10,544,420 Linden dollars – $39,790USD at a 265/1 exchange rate.

In short, I paid her 9,052,048L more than she paid me. At a 265L/1USD exchange rate, that comes out to $34,159USD.

The sales of my products (hair, jewelry, shapes, etc) account for 88% of Calla’s total sales. All of Haedon’s products, hair, jewelry, shapes, etc, account for the remaining 12% of the total revenue of Calla. After she left her job to make Calla a full time duty she still only managed to produce a fraction of the total effort that went into Calla.

I have given everything to Calla; my heart, my time, my talents, my efforts.

There was an incident in January 2007 where I logged in one morning and Nex Brannan had hair laid out in the Calla workspace in Plush Kappa textured with my hair textures. He’d “fixed” some of the textures and sent them to me. Haedon had given them to him full permissions, without my knowledge.

I will admit that I flipped out. After spending painstaking months on getting the textures the way I wanted them, to have them handed away full permissions without my consent threw me into a fit. I told Haedon at that point that I would buy her out, I would not allow her to hand away anything else that I’d worked so hard on. This had become my livlihood. She insisted it was something that would never happen again. Nex apologized as he had no idea I hadn’t consented to him having them, and deleted them from his inventory. He even went so far as to let me log into his account to look for myself. He obviously had them on his hard drive to have “fixed” them, but I trusted, and still do, that he was genuinely unaware that he should not have received them.

After a lot of crying on both parts, and admittedly some yelling on mine, I agreed to continue forward as long as we had a legal Joint Venture agreement, which stated that the textures were copyrighted and owned by me, and that Haedon had no authorized use of them outside of the Calla venture. I paid to have a legal contract written up with all of the specifics we both wanted and agreed to, making compromises where necessary, with the venture lasting 18 months. I signed with a witness, on January 19th 2007, two copies and sent them to Haedon’s RL address. One copy was for her to sign and return to me, and the second copy was for her records.

To this day, I have never received her signed copy back. I asked repeatedly over the course of several months if she’d sent the copy back and always got a response like “I haven’t gotten to the post office,” “I haven’t had a chance,” etc. I eventually quit asking because she was my best friend and I started to feel like I was nagging, and thought surely she would send them when she could. My husband has asked regularly for the last year and a half if I’d gotten them from her yet. I wish that I’d been able to make him stop asking by saying “Yeah, I got them” but every time my answer is “No, I haven’t.”

Part of our agreement also included a standard Covenant of Good Faith which basically stated that both of us would use our best efforts, fairly and in good faith to promote and ensure the success of the venture.

There was also a standard Duty of Loyalty clause which stated, “No Member will engage in any business, venture or transaction, whether directly or indirectly, that might be competitive with the business of the Venture or that would be in direct conflict of interest to the Venture. Any potential conflicts of interest will be deemed an Involuntary Withdrawal by the offending Member and may be treated accordingly by the remaining Members. A withdrawing Member will not carry on a similar business to the business of the Venture within any established or contemplated market regions of the Venture for a period of at least 12 months.”

I have now learned that Haedon has been planning another hair store as avatar Poe Carver for the last six months or more. She intended to keep this information from me, while remaining part of Calla and pursing a second, competing label on the side without my knowledge. This is a direct conflict of interest. If the Joint Venture agreement holds up in court despite the fact that she never signed and returned it, she has clearly violated the Covenant of Good Faith, and the Duty of Loyalty clauses.

She has told blatant lies about me. She has gone so far as to say that we never met in real life. I blogged about it here and here. We have talked on the phone, we’ve exchanged birthday presents, Christmas presents, “just because” presents.

I don’t understand why she would lie about such a thing, and that’s probably the most hurtful of all of this. We hugged in the middle of the music store in NYC, and that has been one of my most cherished memories.

She has said that she was the one who was carrying the majority of the weight of Calla, that her styles were the ones which made the majority of the income, and I was riding her coattails. You can see from the facts above this is clearly not the case. Haedon has almost been a silent partner. When “Second Life for Dummies” was published she was not included as an owner during the mention of Calla; This wasn’t a typo, the writers simply had no idea.

In April of this year, I asked her if we could drop the split proceeds scripts and just keep profits of our own items. She stated that she wanted us to go our separate ways, both of us dropping the Calla name. She wanted both of us to start over from scratch, dumping Calla, knowing full well she’d been planning a new label for the last six months or more, while I’d been working on Calla exclusively. As you can see, that would give her a tremendous advantage if we both dropped Calla.

I refused to drop the name. I agreed to each of us using Calla “by x” but I would not drop it entirely. At this time I had no idea she’d been planning a second hair label. I only knew that I was not going to give up what I’d put my entire being into for two years. She didn’t want to do Calla “by” and asked me if I was willing to budge on that point. My adamant answer was, “no.”

I offered to help her make new hair textures. She stated to me that she had already made them that weekend, over the previous 2 days. I was stunned that she already had new textures, especially given how long I knew it took me to make mine. It was very clear to me that she was going to be doing her own thing, not as Calla.

During a later conversation I asked her if she’d come up with a name for her new store. She said yes, but wouldn’t tell me what it was. Our agreement at this point was that we would share the island, my half being Calla, and her half being whatever her new label was so that customers could get used to the idea. It would transition her into her new label more easily without her having to start all over. (Again, I had no idea what she’d been planning.)

At a later point I asked her if she would be transitioning all of her current Calla hair styles from my textures to her own. (She obviously kept her own styles, as she’d made those and I will not take them, or reuse them in any way.) She said she’d tried but some of her styles didn’t work with her new textures, they didn’t line up the same way. She indicated that she would be making things for her own new label, and things for “her Calla line” when she felt like it. I absolutely could not belive this.

We were sharing the same sim, with obviously competing brands, in order to let her get a good standing before one of us moved to our own space. I would be continuing to put all my effort into Calla as I always had, and she would put things out for “her” Calla line in her store with her other brand whenever it suited her; using my full time promotion of Calla and its products, and using my textures.

I adamantly refused to allow her to do that, and insisted if she was going to do “Calla by Haedon” that was fine, but if she was going to have her own brand she could not be Calla, too. Her response to me was that she was able to have as many stores as she wanted and she did not understand my logic in saying she couldn’t.

Within 24 hours, I sent her a purchase offer, to purchase her half of Callatropia at current market value. She responded by locking me out of the joint account, Calla Bonne, which held the island. She also wanted to know what compensation she would receive from me for the Calla brand when she’d “worked hard to establish Calla products with the brand equity that now makes them profitable.”

That is the point at which I ran the figures you saw above. I knew there was a big difference between sales of my products and sales of hers. The split proceeds script sent us both an IM every time someone purchased something from either of us. “You have been paid ### for the sale of productName.” The product was mine more often than not. We both got the same message, so I would imagine she had the same realization. When I saw exactly how big the difference was, all I could do was cry. My husband kept asking me if I was okay, and I could not even answer him for a very long time. All of my effort and my work and my time laid out in black and white numbers, only to see how much she’d gained from my effort and how very little I’d gained from hers. I was devastated.

On May 23, I sent back a written reply with the numbers, and encouraged her to verify it against her own transactions histories. I told her there would be no further compensation. I gave her 24 hours to sell me her half of Callatropia, still for the current market value of $500usd, 72 hours after the 24-hour period ended to hand over the island to me, or I would be taking further legal action. There were other stipulations involved which included:

    · You will leave ownership of the Calla Owners group and Calla Update Group to me by leaving both groups by June 1, 2008.
    · You must agree in writing to discontinue any use of the Calla name, logo, textures and any other Calla labeling, or any form thereof immediately. The only exclusion to this is granted to those products you have made and released previously to today’s date.
    · You must also agree in writing to discontinue all usage of the Calla name, mark, label, textures or any other reference to Calla completely by July 1, 2008.
    · You must include in the same statement that you will not rework, re-texture, resell or redistribute in any way, any products I have made which you have had full or copy/transfer permissions of under the Calla label.
    · I must receive a written, notarized statement sent certified mail of the above within seven business days.
    · Upon receipt of the above statement, I will send certified mail to you within seven business days, the confirmation that I will not rework, e-texture, resell or redistribute in any way, any products you have made which I have had full or copy/transfer permissions of under the Calla label.

She replied and wanted to know if she was able to offer to buy my half of Callatropia from me. I told her if she was willing to agree to all of the other terms listed, change the name of the island, leave up a “Calla has moved” sign for three months, I would seriously consider it.

[18:49] Haedon Quine: Do you really want a signed notarized everything stating that I won’t resell retexture reanything of your things? It seems a bit much and I wouldn’t do that to you, as I wouldn’t think you would do to me. I’ll do it if you want me to but it might be sometime next week. I have a lot of stuff going on.
[18:50] Tigerlily Koi: I really do, and will do the same for you.
[18:50] Haedon Quine: you’ll have to give me some time then. but I’ll get it to you
[18:51] Tigerlily Koi: Sent out by June 6? That’s about 2 weeks
[19:02] Haedon Quine: Ok if I buy it, which I would like to, how long do I have to change the packaging of the calla displays? And the textures on them are alright (on anything previously textured?)
[19:03] Haedon Quine: I’ll be happy to get to them eventually, I’d just like to have something to have up and purchasable while I work on that
[19:04] Tigerlily Koi: July 1
[19:12] Haedon Quine: ok. I’ll buy it, change the name, and of course leave a sign up for calla’s new location. I will also change all the names on the styles I have, and the ads for them by july 1st. I’ll get noterized copies of.. all that stuff.. asap. This is all ok with you?

Something wasn’t sitting right with me still.

[19:27] Tigerlily Koi: Can you find out if once you change the island name does that free up the Callatropia name for me to buy? Or does it go into limbo for a while? I can’t call concierge or open a chat to ask.
[19:28] Haedon Quine: yeah I have the website open lemme ask
[19:29] Tigerlily Koi: Thank you, and if so, does that update the LMs too? If it does, the sign wouldn’t really be necessary
[19:35] Haedon Quine: oh you can use it right away
[19:35] Haedon Quine: and it changes the LM routing cause it’d be routing to callatropia/128/128/0
[19:36] Tigerlily Koi: so the current LMs would take them to the new callatropia?
[19:37] Haedon Quine: yeah
[19:37] Haedon Quine: I’d leave it in the greeter pop up anyway just in case

I have since found out she blatantly lied to me about the landmarks moving with the name of the island. She knew, at that moment, that if she purchased the island from me, she would retain all existing landmark traffic, which after 15 months on Callatropia would be a considerable amount. She has since told other people that she lied to me about it in order to get me to agree to letting her purchase my half of the island.

She was my business partner, and my best friend. I trusted her, and took her at her word; we were having our differences but I still considered her a friend and thought I could trust her. I never imagined she would lie to me. Additionally, it was nearly midnight, and I had no way to call concierge myself to ask them because she’d locked me out of the Calla Bonne account.

May 25, I sent the following email (typos included – it was very late at night and I didn’t catch them):

I just wanted to be sure there wasn’t a problem, as I’ve not received payment, or your written confirmation of your offer which we discussed last night. As I understood it, you agreed to all of the conditions I outlined in my offer to you, as well as to changing the island name and leaving a sign stating that Calla had moved, with a landmar giver and pop up notification, in exchange for me selling my share of Callatropia to you. I believeyouu stated you were going to be starting the transfer and sending $500 usd to me for my share of the island last night. If there has been a problem with the transfer, or the sending of funds, please let me know via email as soon as possible so I am aware that this agreement is in progress.

Please include any communication with Linden Lab regarding said transfer if the process is underway. I would greatly appreciate you keeping me apprised, as I am unable to move forward until your transfer and name change has gone through.

If you have changed your mind, please let me know. If that is the case, my previous second offer to you still stands until 12:00pm Eastern, Tuesday May 27, 2008, at hich tiime all previous offers ill beecome invalid.

May 26, I received the following reply:

No, there was no problem. I have started the process of an island transfer. Unfortunately they do not email you to inform you of your support ticket till after the transfer goes through. I will be sending the $500.00 USD immediately after I get some needed information from you. When I went to look which Paypal account to send it to, I saw both *****@*****, and *****@***** listed. I’m confused as to which one to send it to. If you can provide me with which one is correct, I will transfer the funds to that account.

As to the conditions of the agreement:

I will be changing the name of the island and leaving a sign with landmark giver and a pop up as we discussed. I will also discontinue the use of the calla name, brand, logo and textures from this point forth, with exclusion granted to those products I have made and released previously. I will change all displays, and names of products to reflect my new business name by July 1st, 2008.

I will of course keep you updated as to the status of the transfer so that you may proceed with your plans as soon as possible.

By the time I realized she had lied to me about the landmark traffic not going with the name of the island, it was too late for me to do anything about it. I bought my own island, with a new name, Calla Lily. How confusing would it be to have a handful of landmarks that said Callatropia which took you to the old location, and new landmarks which also said Callatropia but took you to the new location? I decided it was better to just change the name completely to clear up that confusion.

MSo Lambert owns Subscribe-O-Matic. It is his policy that he will copy over an in-world group once to a Subscribe-O-Matic group after the group is given prior notice. Haedon did not send prior notice, she had MSo copy the in-world Calla Update Group to a new Subscribe-O-Matic group named Tousled. She sent a Subscribe-O-Matic notice, with a note card on June 11, after the fact. At the very bottom of the note card attachment was this:

“About the subscribe-o-matic:
If you’re wondering why you’re getting this note card and update messages from a store called Tousled, it’s because you are in the Calla Update Group. There were some changes made recently. You can read about them on the Calla blog.
(http://callatropia.com/blog/)

If you would like to unsubscribe, and not get these messages, follow the above landmark and hit the subscribe-o-matic sign infront of the store. But I do hope you stay :)”

During my reopening of Calla on June 13, Haedon ran a 50L sale on all her Calla styles, and sent the following out via her Subscribe-O-Matic (notice the use of the Calla name which she agreed not to use):

Tousled by Haedon Quine: Message originally sent on Jun 13, 2008:
50L hair sale @ the old Calla. Sale will last through the weekend, and untill I can get Tousled (new store) all set up. Notecard coming! ❤ Haedon

There were people left and right in the Calla Update Group trying to find the 50L hair at Calla – my new location, because they didn’t understand they had been copied over to a group owned by Haedon that was not Calla without their permission and without being informed.

On June 15, I sent the following:

Since I’ve moved and it seems to confuse people, please leave the Calla Update Group now.

Whenever you’re ready, I will come move the greeter/LM giver that I have up to whatever workse better for your new build.

Also, please send the notarized letter, certified mail, as was per our agreement by Wednesday, June 18. That is considerably longer than the original request.

May 24:
[18:49] Haedon Quine: Do you really want a signed notarized everything stating that I won’t resell retexture reanything of your things? It seems a bit much and I wouldn’t do that to you, as I wouldn’t think you would do to me. I’ll do it if you want me to but it might be sometime next week. I have a lot of stuff going on.

[18:50] Tigerlily Koi: I really do, and will do the same for you.
[18:50] Haedon Quine: you’ll have to give me some time then. but I’ll get it to you
[18:51] Tigerlily Koi: Sent out by June 6? That’s about 2 weeks
[19:12] Haedon Quine: ok. I’ll buy it, change the name, and of course leave a sign up for calla’s new location. I will also change all the names on the styles I have, and the ads for them by july 1st. I’ll get noterized copies of.. all that stuff.. asap. This is all ok with you?

Thanks!

I have yet to receive any response, nor have I received a notarized letter.

I have filed trademark applications for Calla and the Calla logo with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. I have had to file an Abuse Report with Linden Lab, as Haedon had continued to leave her parcel name “Calla & Tousled” (using the Calla name which she clearly agreed not to do). Within three hours, her parcel name had been changed – I assume by Linden Lab as Haedon was not online. Shortly after, I got this message

“The object ‘Second Life’ has sent you a message from Second Life:
Your object ‘InfoGiver 3.0a’ has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Haedon Quine from parcel ‘Tousled Hair / Shapes / Jewelry’ at Bricolage 125.501, 181.5 due to parcel owner return.”

That was the greeter I had near the entrance of the old Calla building on what is now Bricolage. It sent a pop up message stating that Calla had moved, and gave a landmark. Part of our agreement when she purchased my half of the island was that a landmark giver would remain for 3 months; she returned it after one week.

I have filed a DMCA to have all Calla items owned by her removed from in-world locations. I have sent a notarized “Cease and desist” letter to her, certified return receipt. I have had to petition Linden Lab to remove her from the Calla Update Group and the Calla Owners group.

I have been forced to put all of this to the public, to protect my own name, and my own work. It is something I never would have believed I would have to do; I never, for a second, thought that I would have to protect myself from rumors and lies told by someone that I felt was closer to me than my own sister.

There have definitely been wonderful moments, and I am still struggling to understand what reasoning Haedon would have to treat me this way, or what I may have done to her. There is still a part of me that loves her, and would do anything I could to help her, even though I know she’s telling blatant untruths about me and about the split. You just can’t turn off your feelings for someone, that takes time to get over. But at this point, it’s time to clear the air, lay out the facts and move on. Hopefully with all this in the open, a lawsuit won’t be necessary, but if Haedon continues to break our agreements I will be forced to take legal action.

I have a new, fabulous build, a new island, a new system that will make everyone’s lives easier in the long run, and a lot to look forward to. I have some beautiful memories and a lot of fun times to look back on. I just hope that in time, the hurt that now overlays those memories will fade and I will somehow get past the loss of the person that I thought would be my best friend for the rest of my life.

Disclaimers and trademark information:

The Second Life Community Standards regarding posting of in-world conversation is as follows:
“Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.”
As this is neither, posting these conversation logs in no way violates the Terms of Service I agreed to when joining Second Life.

For privacy’s sake, and to ensure that personal information has been protected, all instances where either of us used the other’s real name have been removed.

Linden Lab® and Second Life® are trademarks of Linden Research, Inc. Calla™, Tigerlily Koi, or this blog are not affiliated with or sponsored by Linden Research.

Calla™ and the Calla™ logo are trademarks of the person behind Tigerlily Koi.

***Update Aug 7, 2008***
Still, none of the agreements that Haedon agreed to have been kept. There is no LM or sign stating that Calla has moved. I have not received a written, notarized, certified letter from her agreeing to the points we’d contracted to. She refused the Certified Letter I sent to her on June 19. From the United States Postal Service:

Label/Receipt Number: 7006 0810 0006 1717 9337
<!–Status: Dead Mail / Sent to Mail Recovery Center

–> Status: Dead Mail / Sent to Mail Recovery Center

Your item could not be delivered or returned to the sender. It is being forwarded to a USPS mail recovery center where it will be processed.

She removed me from ownership of the Calla Update Group, and made an alt (Linden Lab has verified this) and gave ownership of the group to that alt and left the group herself, and removed everyone from the group but about 20 people. This group, which I have no control of is also using my trademarked image and name.

I received the following from Linden Lab on July 8:

Linden Lab has received your notification of copyright infringement under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”), 17 U.S.C. § 512.

After having reviewed your notification:

In compliance with the DMCA, the following work(s) have been expeditiously removed or disabled:

Description of Work(s):
Calla Hawthorne DEMO (H)
Calla Hawthorne (all colors)
Calla Mallos DEMO (H)
Calla Mallos (all colors)
Calla Reed DEMO (H)
Calla Reed (all colors)
Calla Snowdrop DEMO (H)
Calla Snowdrop (all colors)
Calla Day Lily DEMO (H)
Calla Day Lily (all colors)
Calla White Heather DEMO (H)
Calla White Heather (all colors)
Calla Hibiscus DEMO (H)
Calla Hibiscus DEMO (all colors)
Calla Morning Glory DEMO (H)
Calla Morning Glory (all colors)
Calla Black Poplar DEMO (H)
Calla Black Poplar (all colors)
Calla Turnsol DEMO (H)
Calla Turnsol (all colors)
Object named: Touch for Landmark to main store
Object named: CallaSignBlack
Object named: Object (wall section displaying Calla’s logo)
Calla image on parcel description in Bricolage
Calla name on parcel description in Bricolage
Calla name referenced in profile picks

Location of Work(s):
Haute Couture (88,181,22)
Bricolage (125,193,23)

Sincerely,

Linden Lab Removal Team

For those of you who remarked about the date of the original posting, here’s a month’s leeway time for you from July 1, and still none of the things she agreed to she has followed through with. I wish I could say that July 1 had been some magical day where she finally held up her end of our agreements, but that is not the case. I wanted to believe it more than you did, I assure you.

To all of you who have expressed your support both here and in-world I thank you from the bottom of my heart. This has been an extremely difficult time for me and your words of encouragement, appreciation, support and friendships have been more important to me and to the future of Calla than words can ever convey. Big hugs back to all of you.

66 Responses to “Some things I need to say *update Aug 7*”

  1. sasyscarborough Says:

    hugs tight, you are an incredible woman Tigerlily, I am sorry you went through so much.

    xox Sasy xox

  2. sachi Vixen Says:

    You have other more genuine friends. You have a fresh start, chin up and move forward knowing you have integrity.

  3. Holly Klaxon Says:

    Hugs, girly. You know how I feel about this. Though I must say that, seeing it all laid out here in open view, it strikes me again just how rotten it was, and reminded me of all the times when we were working on the build, and the new sim, when yet another punch in the gut was landed on you, as you learned of yet another lie she had told you. It makes me livid all over again.

  4. Eolande Says:

    Tigerlily to know you is to love you, and you’ve had way more than your fair share of hardships. I do know, that which does not kill you makes you stronger. Except for that whole back ligament thing. But you know what I mean. You’ll go on keeping your chin up and walking tall no matter how painful it is, because that’s who you are, and only one of the many reasons I love ya girl. May the truth set you free.


  5. Lily, you’re an amazing person and I have so much respect for you.

    Keep your chin up, and I always got yer back, girly ❤

  6. tiffergg Says:

    The first part of your post amazed me. You have had a truly difficult past and your story is truly motivating. As for the whole Haedon situation, it is never easy to get burned by friends. It is especially hard when you yourself are a genuine person and would never do such a thing-it makes it that much harder to understand how people are as cruel as they are. I am glad to read that you are such a smart business woman and kept all the records you did! Best of luck with all and I hope this will all be resolved and cleaned up in the best way possible.


  7. I wish you good luck and great success with the new build/store. You’ll be back up and going before you know it.

    Best Regards,
    Malk

  8. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    Reading this note it is very clear that all the information stated is factual and authentic.

    As a Calla customer I will continue to buy “Authentic Calla” hair at whatever sim it is located at.

    Thank you for giving us the assurance that our favorite hair will have the quality we have become used to, and going to all this trouble to ensure that the brand is not diluted when you are not there to ensure that we are getting the best hair in the market.

  9. Tyger Freenote Says:

    What you’ve achieved in the face of such adversity is simply awesome, and will all be worth it. This is a brand new start for you and the future is yours for the taking. You know how many people who care about you are behind you now, and will always make sure you are OK. Stay strong and pwn all =)

  10. Katoria Says:

    Oh darlin’ it’s heart wrenching to read all of this in black and white. I know how much it’s taken you to post this, but I think you’re all the more amazing for having the strength to be so completely open and honest here.

    *hugs*

    Here’s to new beginnings and things looking brighter for you 😀

  11. Angel Horner Says:

    I can’t imagine how hard this was for you to write out, to basically relive it. You are amazingly strong and very smart to have kept such records, that will work in your favor.

    As Kat said, here’s to new beginnings. xo

  12. Teena Basevi Says:

    No one should have to go thru anything like this. It breaks my heart truly. No matter where your hairs are located I’m sure all of us will continue to search you out since we have since our newbie days. Hang in there and continue on that quest for the perfect hair. 🙂

  13. Push Says:

    I doubt this will get posted, but I know that you’ll at least read it before deleting it. You have everything else listed and posted out, where are the specific quotes of Hae saying “She has said that she was the one who was carrying the majority of the weight of Calla, that her styles were the ones which made the majority of the income, and I was riding her coattails.” You’ve been on a campaign the last two weeks to destroy her business and her name before she can even open her new store, and I think that’s as shitty as anything you claim she’s been doing. I’ve spent a lot of time with Hae, especially since the split, and she’s never once bragged to me that she was the brains behind Calla or any of the wildly ridiculous claims you’re making without any quotes or specific references, just that she wanted a change, she wanted to do her own thing. And now you’re punishing her for that by filing DMCAs and Spam reports and now slandering her on this blog. If she was such a great friend and you still have feelings for her, I don’t see why this can’t be resolved by talking to her. She’s in-world, she’s available. But instead you’re doing back-end maneuvers to try and destroy her before her store can even start, which smacks of anti-competition more than anything.

  14. Eolande Says:

    Lily is fair, she posts everything. Despite all the mud being flung at her she’s kept her cool, and is posting facts here. The only undermining that’s been done is from Haedon and it appears that’s been going on long before the split. Maybe she’s been sweet as a lamb before you Push but that doesn’t make her innocent.

  15. lol Says:

    Either these people are naive or Haedon has been telling someone lol (are these two people her friends?)

    #

    At 4:40 PM, Blogger Faery Sola said…

    Haedon Quine is a woman. She makes exceptional hair. For those of you unsure as to the difference in creator styles; Lily makes flexi farrah styles and Haedon makes the fun fresh funky styles 😀

    Haedon’s new label is Tousled and I already have a number of her styles! the textures are amazing and the execution of style and prim placement is fantastic! I highly recommend you check it out =D

    #

    At 4:51 PM, Blogger Marly Vaughan said…

    Haedon’s work with prim and sculptie hair is exceptional. Her new label, Tousled, promises to be as successful and more high-end quality as Calla.

    You see, Haedon was always the real brains behind Calla. She was the one making really amazing hair, where as Tiger continued on a cliche of hair that can be seen at any strip club or shopping mall in SL.

    Tousled will be all the best that Hae has to offer and I can’t fucking wait.

  16. Push Says:

    What mud has been flung Elonade? And what undermining? Because Hae decided to go out on her own, that’s undermining?

    Again, where’s the proof of her guilt?

  17. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    Push,
    I am not Lily’s friend but just a customer that is worried about the hair that I use is available. While I see your point on the full story. I would only say .. brains or not… opinions who cares… the numbers speak.. Sales receipts are facts based on facts with no way for any one of us to discuss or argue any points. Lily’s stuff made the bulk of the money. Hae profited from Lily’s work – that is factual –

    It was her products that made the profit. Legally (US not Linden) she owns the brand name Calla.. so what is the real discussion point? Lily’s stuff made the money, Lily did the textures, Lily has the brand name..

    As long as Hae does not use Lily’s textures nor the brand name – and follows the agreements made by them — the world is happy.

    Would be super cool if you helped your friend by telling her to put the “Calla has moved sign” back
    stop using the textures .. send the notarized letter
    and just focus on her new store… not on making it difficult to move on .. (both of them — Lily and Hae)

    I may even check Hae’s stuff since I really don’t care about all the rest.. but I do need the assurance that the other products are good. The hair I use today has “Tigerlily Koi” as creator. – guess I am one of the 71% that likes her products.

  18. Push Says:

    Fiamma,

    Hae isn’t disputing the Calla brand, she’s got her own brand now, so I’m not sure what your point is with that one.

    Hae hasn’t built anything with Calla textures since late last year and she’s not using them now, she made her own textures.

    The Calla sign got returned because Hae no longer had edit perms on Lily’s objects and it was in the way of the terraforming. Plus the sim has been closed to the public, so it wouldn’t be useful being there anyhow.

  19. Eolande Says:

    Push, did you take the time to read this at all? Either you didn’t read or your brain is clouded with bias. Hae was my friend too but I can’t ignore the facts and overlook what she’s done to Lily. Hae has kept herself stealth from Lily unless she wants to talk to her, and there’s been no lack of communication besides that. Hae has fully deserved the DMCA’s and was given a generous amount of time to comply, and she has not, even after promising she would.

    As for the mudslinging none may have been flung in your presence but you can’t really believe you’re the only one she’s talked to about this?

    Lily has done NOTHING backhanded. Every move she has made has been communicated and planned. Your claim of Lily trying to destroy Hae’s business before it starts couldn’t be more backwards. Hae is the one who lied about the sim transfer, who returned Lily’s LM giver, who had a 50L sale at “Calla” on the very same day that Lily opened her new store. What’s more she hijacked the subscribo group and then used it to her advantage with her 50L sale when she had agreed to leave it.

    Proof of her guilt? Please read for crying out loud!!
    If Lily seriously was trying to smoosh her competition she’d be in the wrong business. She’s not even insisted on keeping Hae to her contract where it states that the partners cannot leave and create their own stuff for a period of time if they were to split. Lily has had to eat a LOT of misery and punishment because of Hae’s taking advantage of her, the numbers say it.

    I was friends with Hae too and I will miss her, but she’s not who she seemed to be, and it I’m extremely sad about that.

  20. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    Cool! I was just responding to your post about doing slander… When I read this completely naive about the subject and as I said before ……. not really giving a hoot if Lily and Hae like each other or not. I just saw facts on paper.. (epaper)

    So if there are no textures used, sign is that calla has moved is there, the papers are signed and notarized, and all stuff is agreed and executed on .. there is no issue – no slander – no nothing – we should stop discussing and let the two ladies push their different business and then we can decide where to spend our lindens on.

    If both women are talented I don’t think we are helping anyone of them by gossiping about this ….. as I said above if all legal matters are closed.. lets see what happens with the product quality and customer preference. That is the only thing that matters to me at the end of the day I think. As I said before, I like Lily’s stuff – I don’t know her but I have a lot of her hair. I don’t want to loose the option of getting what I like .

  21. Holly Klaxon Says:

    Couldn’t have said it better, Eolande.

    Push, it appears that you didn’t read the blog you’re commenting on. You might want to take a closer look, because as Hae’s current partner, someday you’ll very likely be writing one just like it. I highly doubt you’ll read it all with an open mind though, especially in light of comments like this, “The Calla sign got returned because Hae no longer had edit perms on Lily’s objects and it was in the way of the terraforming.”

    There was no terraforming happening anywhere near the build the day Hae hit return on the greeter. That is a fact, which I think you’re probably also aware of. The store was open (and selling Hae’s products with Lily’s trademarked logo on them). And yes, I do have proof of both and can post the photos somewhere that the person who took them won’t be identified and dragged into mess, just as the others who would be if Lily posted the quotes that she has. The only thing the greeter was in the way of is Hae messing with Lily at every chance Hae gets.

    I was working with Lily over the past months while all of this was happening, and never once, not once, has she been anything but an exceptionally great lady. No matter how horrid the stress got, no matter how devastated she was, she was never anything but totally fair, totally honest, endlessly kind and generous. When most people would have finally snapped with all the bullshit being slung at them, she was out busting her ass to raise funds for RFL, which she’s done a brilliant job at. She’s a remarkable lady; there is a very long list of reasons that pretty much everyone adores her. Anyone who can call themselves Lily’s friend is truly blessed. But none of that mattered to Hae. To her it was more important to screw Lily out of everything she could, down to the old LMs in people’s inventories.

    It’s just sad reading what you wrote. You’re going to defend Hae now with all you’ve got. The fact that Hae took US $34,000 that she was not entitled to, that she has blatantly lied and deceived someone who totally trusted her, and all of the other facts in the blog aren’t going to make a difference to you…. until the day you learn the hard way that people like Hae do not change, and you’re no exception to her general rules for dealing with people. Good luck to you. You’ll definitely need it (and a good record keeping system).

  22. Eolande Says:

    GO HOLLY!!!

  23. open mouth, insert foot Says:

    Push, who’s side are you on?

    “Hae hasn’t built anything with Calla textures since late last year”

    This is the end of June, so that would be what, 5 months Hae did nothing for Calla? You just proved what Lily is trying to say.

  24. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    IMHO – who cares Holly …. Lily made the profitable products – we like her stuff. If Hae does not use the textures,stops using the calla name and gives lily the notarized note…….. what do we care??????????????\

    I would love to see this case resolved with a pic of then notarized note by Hae agreeing on the terms she said she would on the notes above (no textures no use of the name and the lm promoting the sim of “authentic calla products” and not all you lily friends just taking..

    HAE speak UP ———– show us that u r not using the textures nor brand name and show us a copy of the notarized letter you sent to lily about this being closed …. PLEAAAAAAAASE

  25. Khali Laguna Says:

    All I can say is go Lily and we will go with you. I am also SO glad that I followed my instinct when all of those notices didn’t sit right with me. They seemed all too confusing making it sound like Calla was changing over to become Tousled but no word from Lily… only from Haedon. It all seemed fishy and something just not right… something stunk. I am so very glad that I didn’t attend that bogus sale and take any of Lily’s hard work for $50L… I would feel like I cheated her and from all the spreadsheets and extensive documentation I’ve seen, I think Lily has been cheated enough! Remember this… karma sucks and what goes around comes around. Hang in there Lily and thank you for having the courage to let us all in on such a painful and private part of your experience. Know that you have a huge community of loyal customers that go with you. *hugs and best wishes for your continued success in all you do*

  26. Push Says:

    @Eolande

    “Push, did you take the time to read this at all? Either you didn’t read or your brain is clouded with bias.”

    My brain is no more clouded with bias than yours is.

    “As for the mudslinging none may have been flung in your presence but you can’t really believe you’re the only one she’s talked to about this?”

    Ah, so, a friend of a friend of a friend said someone said something, so it must be true. Again, provide proof.

    “Lily has had to eat a LOT of misery and punishment because of Hae’s taking advantage of her, the numbers say it.”

    What misery? Making a lot of money from a game? You’re changing your argument mid-stream, as is Lily, if the major complaint is now that Hae made all this money allegedly off Lily’s back. 2 years and it never seemed to matter, but now that Hae’s about to open a new store, somehow it’s a giant issue?

    Listen, I know that you and I are never going to agree on anything except that we don’t agree on this issue, which is fine. Friends take sides and do their best to defend their friends. Which is what I’m doing, I’m just here to clarify things so it doesn’t become a game of who can kick the hardest.

  27. Push Says:

    @Holly

    “Push, it appears that you didn’t read the blog you’re commenting on. You might want to take a closer look, because as Hae’s current partner, someday you’ll very likely be writing one just like it.”

    Do you even know Hae? I didn’t think so. And I would have the courage to confront Hae face to face if something was going on, not go on a blog vendetta to try and paint her as something she is not.

    As for the sign, I don’t keep rigorous track of everything that goes on everywhere in SL, so if I got that wrong, it’s on me.

    “The fact that Hae took US $34,000 that she was not entitled to”

    Except for that agreement where they agreed to split the profits 50/50. But I guess the actual facts don’t matter in the land of righteous indignation.

    “Good luck to you. You’ll definitely need it (and a good record keeping system).”

    Again, do you know Hae at all? Didn’t think so.

  28. Push Says:

    @ open mouth, insert foot

    All Lily is trying to say is that she’s angry well after the fact and now wants to exact some revenge. If her main argument was about how the money was split, she had 2 years (TWO YEARS) to work that out. That it’s coming now well after the split smacks of something else.


  29. I wish you all the best in your new beginning. hugs

  30. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    boooooooooooooooooooringggggg.. u guys are not focusing on facts…….

    numbers are numbers one year two years 10 years – whoooooooooooo cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    See the numbers Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    enough ——– give me good hair —– settle the legal arguments ——- no textures, no brand name, a bloody sign and a notarized paper…… What is so difficult about that?

    dang ———- NO emotion —- facts

    when those things are settled why do we freaking argue!!!! you guys are toooooooo emotional about all this stuff and taking sides…….

    stick to the facts

    Hae ——— once again show us u are not using the textures that lily did – send us a pic of the notarized note that lily is referencing to – convince your customers u sent it as u agreed – show us the new “Calla has moved “sign ——- and stop all this nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    tell your friend to stop arguing and show us facts!
    pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease!


  31. “All Lily is trying to say is that she’s angry well after the fact and now wants to exact some revenge. If her main argument was about how the money was split, she had 2 years (TWO YEARS) to work that out. That it’s coming now well after the split smacks of something else.”

    Right Push, it DOES smack of something else. Wanna know what it smells like to me?

    Smells like someone who got really hurt and really burned by someone she’d thought was a FRIEND.

    Friends do not put their friends through the kind of crap that Hae’s apparently been pulling with Lily, if all of what Lily has said is true. A friend does not hem and haw over a legal document concerning your joint business venture for nearly half a year, especially if that business happens to be your bread and butter. A friend does not deliberately lock you out of an account that is such a key part of your business. A friend does not take the names in your customer update group without at least having the courtesy of letting you know first that she’s going to put them on her own subscribo. And most importantly, a friend doesn’t lie to you repeatedly for months about such crucial matters.

    It’s also incredibly unfortunate that Marly had made that rude comment earlier about Lily’s work in comparison to Hae’s. It totally lends credibility to the idea that she has, at the very least, allowed people to continue under the perception that she was the real reason why Calla has thrived.

    Sure, Lily is bringing up the issue of the profit split now, two years after the fact. The point that you seem to either be missing or glossing over, however, is the _reason_ why she brought up the profit split setup in the first place. I think most people who are able to view this objectively and logically will understand that Lily was obviously not bothered by the 50/50 arrangement while she thought everything with Hae was above board and honest, and that she is only bringing it up now as part of her move to protect her name, her reputation, the business in which she’s deeply invested in, and the livelihood it affords her.

    I realize Hae is your friend and I _completely_ understand the desire to stand behind someone you care about. It’s one thing to back your friend up when she merits it, though, and quite another to be blindly loyal.

    If everything Lily’s published here is true, and I don’t see anyone denying anything other than the part about how Hae’s claiming credit for Calla’s success, then this paints Hae in an incredibly unflattering light.

  32. Eolande Says:

    Push – There’s no change of argument here. What was asked for was that Hae needed to drop the Calla label, start on her own with her own resources, and walk away and do her own thing. This wouldn’t even have had to come out, but Hae is going back on her word, and due to rumors and lies and mudslinging, Lily was forced to defend herself publicly. I don’t need to provide you with proof of anything, that’s not my burden. If you can overlook all the facts and question the integrity of someone simply trying to move on *despite* having gotten a very very bad deal and pick over who said what, well you are a fool.

    The split of Calla is not coming about since Hae is opening a new line. Hae is opening a new line since Lily is severing the contract. The attacks and efforts to undermine have all been completely on the part of Haedon. The issue at hand is getting Hae to walk away peacefully and keep her word, which seems to be too hard to do. If she’s so capable of making it on her own why steal the subscribo group, lie about the island transfer, and lie to Calla’s customers and draw them away from Lily’s opening to a pirated 50L sale. It’s ugly and it’s spiteful.

    I was friends with both Hae and Lily, and it’s not a loyalty to one or the other that drives me to choose to defend someone. It’s the facts, it’s the numbers. Quit trying to cloud them by throwing dust.


  33. Another reminder for me to NEVER EVER get a partner into my business!

    Good luck and after reading this, I will only buy your Calla hair!

    x

  34. Holly Klaxon Says:

    Push, that’s exactly my point when I ask if you read the blog. You said, “Except for that agreement where they agreed to split the profits 50/50.” But, just like Hae clearly did, you forgot this part, “we agreed that we would share the work at Calla, as well as the profits or losses, by splitting everything 50/50.” See the part about “work”? They agreed to each contribute half too, and not only did Hae not contribute anything remotely close to half (see the spreadsheets as proof), she was also working on a competing store and hiding it. Some people use words such as “defaruding” and “stealing” to describe what Hae did, and in any case, taking money you did not earn is hardly a sign of good moral character.

    “As for the sign, I don’t keep rigorous track of everything that goes on everywhere in SL, so if I got that wrong, it’s on me.”

    This is why you’re in an argument that you cannot possibly win. Lily knows exactly what she’s talking about; there is no guessing in this blog – it is all based on documents that she has collected. Lily stated facts, in other words, and can back them up. Credibility is what wins an argument, and Lily’s got it.

    Fortunately, no, I was never friends with Hae. I was never friends with Hitler either, though any sane person would agree there is more than enough evidence to indicate that he was not a good guy, yet I’m sure his friends would still argue that he had his good points. However, I was there at the Grand Opening of the new Calla store, something I personally put countless hours of work and a whole lot of heart into preparing for, when I heard Haedon had decided to try and ruin it all by announcing a L$50 sale. Granted, Haedon didn’t get what she wanted. People loved the new store, and they were irritated and angry when they found out what Haedon had tried to pull. They were at Calla, the real Calla, where there was no L$50 sale, and folks generally dislike being tricked and lied to. They loved Lily for being kind enough to alleviate their disappointment at not finding inexpensive hair by giving them all generous gift cards for free hair, though.

    This is not about revenge, Push. This is a defensive maneuver that Hae put a whole lot of effort pushing Lily into. You can choose to not see that, and decide Lily is the bad guy, but be rational enough to not expect others who read of all this to agree with you.

  35. Push Says:

    @ Eolande

    “There’s no change of argument here. What was asked for was that Hae needed to drop the Calla label, start on her own with her own resources, and walk away and do her own thing.”

    Which she’s done.

    “I don’t need to provide you with proof of anything, that’s not my burden.”

    Right, you just get to step all over people cause you have one side of the story. That’s a much more enjoyable burden, it seems.

    “If you can overlook all the facts and question the integrity of someone simply trying to move on *despite* having gotten a very very bad deal and pick over who said what, well you are a fool.”

    No more a fool than you are. Just because you assume you’re right doesn’t mean you are.

  36. Push Says:

    @melanie

    “It’s also incredibly unfortunate that Marly had made that rude comment earlier about Lily’s work in comparison to Hae’s. It totally lends credibility to the idea that she has, at the very least, allowed people to continue under the perception that she was the real reason why Calla has thrived.”

    It is unfortunate. It’s also unfortunate that you take that as Hae is somehow in control of what people think and say. Lots of people say lots of things. If we spent all our time correcting people on the internet we wouldn’t get much else done.

    “If everything Lily’s published here is true, and I don’t see anyone denying anything other than the part about how Hae’s claiming credit for Calla’s success, then this paints Hae in an incredibly unflattering light.”

    Which it is meant to do. And only two people know all the facts of the situation, Lily and Hae. Not you, not me, not anyone posting here.

  37. Push Says:

    @Holly

    Comparing someone to Hitler is the surest sign your argument is no longer an argument, but an emotional call to arms, despite any facts to the contrary. And it’s a complete failure to anyone who uses logic with the same amount of emotion.

    Feel free to try and ramp up the extreme hate of someone you don’t know or know anything about, except from someone who you’re fiscally involved with. Really makes you look like a lovely person.

  38. Push Says:

    And with that bit of ugly, I’m out of here. I’m glad to have had my bit to say.

    I’ll just say once again, to those of you who aren’t sure whether or not to pick up a stone and join in, there’s two sides to every story. Just because someone posts theirs on a blog doesn’t make it true.

    Feel free to contact me in-world, Pushbutton Skolnick, if you wish to discuss anything further.

  39. Are you for real? Says:

    Two sides to every story?

    I’ve always heard there are 3.
    What he said, what she said, what really happened.

    Seeing as how we’re looking at FACTS I’d have to say we’re looking at “what really happened”

    Push,
    In all your rambling, you’re really only refuting 1 thing; she didn’t quote anyone concerning these “rumors”. I’d have to consider that professional courtesy to anyone that may not want to get involved on this level.

    What PROOF can you offer in game? What FACTS can you present that can dispute this blog? I doubt you have any. Talking to you in game would lead to nothing more than a Lily-is-a-big-meany-i-can’t-prove-it-but-she-is-you-can-trust-me-because-i-like-cookies-too chat session. Thanks but no thanks.

    When did Push become the official spokes person for Hae anyway; if she’s so available to make a statment, then where is she? Instead of spouting off, and trying to defend Hae, why not spend your energy helping her de-Calla her new brand like Fiamma suggested and this whole thing could be over (changing the island to “Calla and tousled” doesn’t cut it).

    Lily allowing anyone to post here speaks volumes about what can and cannot be argued. Judging by your weak arguments I’d have to agree. Not only are you arguing moot points, your defenses are poor. Not knowing the facts (ex. terraforming) proves you have nothing intelligent, truthful, or factual to add to “your side” of the story.


  40. Oh god, someone already invoked Godwin’s Law? I’m late!!

    This whole situation is disgusting.

  41. Whimsy Winx Says:

    Ya’ll are crowding around and getting in the way of me getting to Tigerlily’s new store and getting me some hair..move I need hair…dammit

    I would have banked on my name and rebranded as TigerLily.

    Hang in there, we got through the Naughty/Abyss/Armidi deal..still pondering the possible Cake/Detour thing..I am ready to shop at whatever store TigerLily has created for us….lead on.

    oh look over there…no the OTHER left…SHOES!

  42. Ran Garrigus Says:

    Good luck to you, Tigerlily. What you’ve achieved is pretty remarkable, as others have said, and I fully expect it’ll continue to be that way.

    I’m going to clear out some landmarks from Callatropia, I think.

  43. bex hathaway Says:

    Very well said “are you for real”

    Tiger, it sounds like you could use some peace in your life, I wish you all the very best on your new endeaver.

  44. Tiny Says:

    Really bad thing.
    I wish all luck to Lily and v v m sucess. The new sim is fantastic!!!!
    @push
    i can understand that you try to potect your friend Hae (thats what friends are for) but i hope that you will never ever come into the same situation like Lily is in.


  45. I’m so sorry to hear that this happened to you, Tigerlily… I do hope your business will not suffer but will continue to grow and grow. *hugs*

  46. Elle Maxim Says:

    Tigerlily, darling, you look a bit green.

    If you did not like the 50-50 agreement with Haedon why did you wait until you split to make a stink about it? You said over and over she took 50% from you. She cannot take anything without your consent. If you consented to give her these Lindens then that is your own damn fault.

    You stated you have NO signed contract with her so you cannot hold her to a contract she did not sign. Next time, send contract certified/return receipt and if you still don’t hear word then push the issue. You should have had everything set in writing long before there was bad blood brewing.

    Haedon has not stolen anything from you. You consented and gave her that money. If you felt this wasn’t fair, why wait almost 2 years to stamp your foot over it.

    Bottom line: No signed, legally binding contract. You do not have legal grounds to pursue her. Therefore, she will have legal ground against you, however, for defamation of character. I hope you contacted a lawyer before making your statement. I mean a real lawyer and not some fake internet one.

  47. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    @ Elle

    I don’t really understand your points. During the partnership the agreements where honored. See the percentages that each party received.

    Legally there are no grounds for any lawsuit from Hae based on the information posted. She received the money and all is closed in that respect.

    That said, there was a dissolution of partnership and resolution of those agreements is what is pending. Hae needs to act with integrity and respect to her word by delivering the notarized letter. Both Lily and Hae should stick to the commitments made when they decided to part ways.

    Now, where there are grounds to lawsuit in the US are in trademark violation. RL Lily owns the brand name legally and therefore even if they where still partners she can exercise her rights as a RL person at any moment in time.

    Don’t want to make this a book but I have to copy a piece of trademark law so you can see this is not my opinion but facts.

    “The purpose of trademark law is to prevent confusion in the minds of the consuming public as to the source of the particular goods or services.

    The purpose is to make the mark identifiable with only those goods and services to the exclusion of other goods and services and therefore to make certain that the mark is identified with only that owner’s goods and services”

    The infringer is liable if the brand is used to confuse the customer and there are different types:
    * Trademark dilution
    * Counterfeiting of trademarks
    * Rights of publicity

    There are many reasons why there was infringement of trademark laws in this discussion.

    Will name a few:

    Trademark dilution – Announcing a 50L sale in a Sim called Calla and creating confusion in the customers is strongly penalized by the US legal system because it affects people like me “the consumer” directly under a false pretense. (as you clearly stated above if there are no legal documents then Hae never had any rights to the brand – nor has. If there was ONE or more customers confused by this there are grounds for legal action

    Counterfeiting of trademark – The name Calla can’t be used in any vendors, sims, etc without the written authorization of the legal owner of the brand – that as stated above is real life Tigerlily Koi.

    Rights of publicity – Any announcements made using the Calla brand, groups, subscriptions are a strong violation of rights of publicity which can be exercised by the owner of the brand at any time.

    For the taking the list other laws apply (Information theft) but won’t get into them just because think that we all want to see this resolved peacefully,

    Bottom line: It is in Hae’s best interest to deliver on commitments and avoid any activity focused on confusing customers (therefore the sign of Calla has moved is critical for Hae to not be liable – there should be an explanation that there are no Calla branded products in the sim and set a tp directly to the sim where the Calla products are now)

    Enough with legalees. If anyone is interested there are a lot of documents on the web that explain this much better than I did in this post. (Note: I based this on US law because the right to trademark was filed in the US and because both parties reside in that country – may be totally different somewhere else but that does not apply to this discussion)

  48. YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE Says:

    from what I know, you shot down her ideas constantly and wanted to maintain some princess, barbie, stripperella type deal going on.. if you don’t let someone branch out then they’re going to leave. I would do the same thing and I especially wouldn’t give much thought to your side of it if you made me feel inferior to begin with. Karma?

    The 50/50 thing is your own fault.. you let it happen..get over it. You made more hair, yeah.. half that look the same and have horrid textures.. so the hell what. She made less with better quality.

    congrats on stringing it out in public to save your internet reputation.. I still think Hae is 50 million times better, wether she is making hair or sitting on her ass.

    ciao.

  49. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    Disclaimer: Fiamma Carfagno is not legal counsel for any of the parties involved. The post above is not recommending any party to take legal action but has the purpose of stating with facts the implications of trademark violations based on New York State Law.

  50. Nikki Says:

    This is so sad and unfortunate to read.

    The facts are well presented in the OP. It is unfortunately that Tigerlily did not seem to be on top of the splits and more diligent in ensuring that Haedon did not live up to her obligations during their partnership, and didn’t realize how much Haedon was profiting to an unfair level.

    Tigerlily seems to be a bit naive, or perhaps she was doing well enough with the business and considered Haedon enough of a friend that she didn’t care.

    Equally unfortunately, Haedon appears to have used Tigerlily to gain from her generosity. As Haedon’s supporters have said, she hasn’t returned the agreements she promised to sign, so she may be able to hide, at least temporarily, behind that “defense”. The chat transcript shows she *did* directly promise to sign and return it.

    So at the very least, Haedon took advantage of a generous and perhaps slightly naive Tigerlily. And shown her dishonest and mercenary tendencies.

    And, if Push is Hae’s new business partner… well I have to say from the comments he made, I has reservations about supporting him and his business as well. I think he’s shown ugliness here as well.

    If Push is female… well it saddens me that I even have to preempt a lash out by saying sorry, but the comments still stand, regardless.

    Of course, there is the two sides to every story – it would be interesting to read Haedon’s response to the facts outlined in the post. Push has made some weak attempts, but where is Haedon’s response here?

  51. Elle Maxim Says:

    @ Fiamma

    My internet lawyer sees your internet lawyer 1 overturned trademark. The fact, through financial records, tax documents, even supeona the records from LL, that Ms. Quine can prove she was an equal partner from the onset of Calla means that she can bring Ms. Koi to court over the very shaky ground her “trademark” is based on and have it overturned. The trademark was not filed until May 19, 2008 which means that Ms. Quine can fight to have this overturned if need be.

    Chat logs from the internet do not mean a damn thing. They are not legally binding contracts. They are not reliable. I can sit here and fake a conversation with any one of you.

    [10:14]Fiamma Cargano: Prove it
    [10:14]Elle Maxim: My pleasure. I am doing that right now.
    [10:15]Elle Maxim: I am telling you that anyone can fake a chat log and therefore this counts for nothing.
    [10:15]Fiamma Cargano: You can’t post this one a blog because that is against the ToS.

    See, chat logs, are worthless.

    @ Tigerlily – It really isn’t wise to use your personal information on the trademark application. If would have been better if you had used a corporation name and PO Box.

  52. blahblahblahwhatever Says:

    holy shit that Haedin is insane! I feel bad for you Tiger. What a lesson for all of us to learn, never do partnerships with people no matter how much you trust them unless you sign proper contracts beforehand.

    seems the love of money, fame, and fortune is the root of all evil!

  53. Celine Says:

    Contract or no contract:
    T H I S is not the way friends should act!!!!!!
    Be ashamed Hae!

    I have a lot of CALLA-Styles, most of them are created by Lily (yes, i counted: its about 90%).

    And to Push:
    I think its not the thing that Hae wanted to do her own thing, its the way H O W she did that. Behind the back of someone one calls friend. It must be planned long, long ago. So, why didnt she made a clear cut and told it honestly to Lily?
    I hope all new partners of Hae have legally binding contracts.
    Im not a friend of any of the two Ladies, i m only a customer. I will stay a custumer of Lily but i will never set a foot on “Bricolage”.
    Good luck Lily ❤ Celine (sorry, thats not my inworld name )

  54. Eleania Rosenberg Says:

    It’s an unbelievable situation and you are clearly going through a terrible time. Just know that you have lots of people behind you; supporting your work, your brand and the woman behind Tigerlily.

    I hope things improve for you, however slowly they may seem to be happening.

    Good luck ❤

  55. Holly Klaxon Says:

    Push and Tenshi, You’re right. I shouldn’t have used the Hitler comparison; it wasn’t very creative. My bad. I just couldn’t recall the name of the woman who drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub at that moment. However, I stand by my point, which is:

    You do not have to know someone personally in order to assess their character.

    That’s something I would expect you to agree on, Push, as you don’t know Lily (if you did, you would know she would never do the things you’re accusing her of) and yet you have no qualms deciding that she’s the aggressor and Haedon merely a hapless victim, when nothing could be further from reality. The difference between us is that I’ve seen the documents, the IM records, the photos, etc… and my opinion is based on those facts.

    You said, “Feel free to try and ramp up the extreme hate of someone you don’t know…”

    I have yet to hear anyone say they hated Haedon, much less extremely. The thing is, if people dislike Haedon, that is a direct result of her behavior, and how she decided to act is nobody else’s fault but her own.

    As I said before, it’s just sad what you wrote. I don’t think you’re a bad person. On the contrary, and I know that Lily and Eolande agree with me; you’re just doing what a good friend does. After seeing what Lily has gone through the past months, I wouldn’t wish it on anyone else. Just watch out for yourself, please.

  56. Tiny Says:

    your worst nightmare wrote:
    …from what I know, you shot down her ideas constantly and wanted to maintain some princess, barbie, stripperella type deal going on..

    Better that than the insane, rotten ugly plot of “None of the above”. (I think the traffic statistic speaks for itsself)

  57. Myrn Says:

    So stupid 😦

    Faery Sola said:
    At 4:40 PM, Faery Sola said…

    Haedon Quine is a woman. She makes exceptional hair. For those of you unsure as to the difference in creator styles; Lily makes flexi farrah styles and Haedon makes the fun fresh funky styles 😀

    Haedon’s new label is Tousled and I already have a number of her styles! the textures are amazing and the execution of style and prim placement is fantastic! I highly recommend you check it out =D

    I visited her store: Boring Items without any fantasy. I ask me how she could recognize the differenze between a hairstyle and a broom

    At 4:51 PM, Marly Vaughan said…

    Haedon’s work with prim and sculptie hair is exceptional. Her new label, Tousled, promises to be as successful and more high-end quality as Calla.

    You see, Haedon was always the real brains behind Calla. She was the one making really amazing hair, where as Tiger continued on a cliche of hair that can be seen at any strip club or shopping mall in SL.

    Tousled will be all the best that Hae has to offer and I can’t fucking wait

    Same to her: visited her stores: Boring without any fantasy. I ve seen freebies with more quality.

    So Lily dont worry about these comments. If Hae needs such friends i feel pity for her.

    @ Holly
    even if i agree to you, the compare to Hitler was v ugly. Not even Hae deserves that (i know what i m talking about. Lost a big part of my family in those times).
    Better ignore Hae and her new Label. There are dozens of this kind in SL. If she would be succesfull ok. If not, she will perish and nobody would ever remember her
    The charme of Callatropia was the sweetness, everybody felt comfy on the sim.

    @Lily
    Hold on dear. Calla Lily is so great. Wish you all the luck of the world (in SL and in RL).

  58. Elle Maxim Says:

    “Contract or no contract:
    T H I S is not the way friends should act!!!!!!”

    @Celine, Yes and Tigerlily should be ashamed of herself for airing her dirty laundry out in public like this. She opened this can of worms herself, not Haedon.

    @Holly, We only have Tigerlily’s word for the behaviour.

    @Eolande, If Tigerlily posts everything how come she left out the fact that there is a signed real world contract between the two that has not expired yet. Yes, she tells us everything. Sure. I have some land in Florida I can sell you. It is a bit wet but has wonderful wildlife. Besides, I thought you loved trademark infringers and all these people are claiming, falsely, that Haedon is violating a trademark. She has a contract signed IN REAL LIFE.

    @Tigerlily, If you didn’t like the agreement, why did you sign a contract agreeing to that? You best remember such a contract exists before complaining.

  59. Fiamma Carfagno Says:

    Facts:

    Elle Maxim Says:
    June 27, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    ‘Bottom line: No signed, legally binding contract. You do not have legal grounds to pursue her.”

    Elle Maxim Says:
    June 28, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    “She [Hae]has a contract signed IN REAL LIFE.”

    Elle Maxim Says:
    June 27, 2008 at 11:55 pm
    Next time, send contract certified/return receipt and if you still don’t hear word then push the issue.

    Tigerlily Koi says:
    “On May 23, I sent back a written reply with the numbers, and encouraged her to verify it against her own transactions histories. I told her there would be no further compensation. I gave her 24 hours to sell me her half of Callatropia, still for the current market value of $500usd, 72 hours after the 24-hour period ended to hand over the island to me, or I would be taking further legal action. There were other stipulations …”

    =======================================================

    heheee – Elle, stop making your friend look worse than she already is. Tell her as you recommend to stick with the agreements she made when she cashed the 500USD that Lily sent as part of the agreement. (I have no clue but bet that the money was already cashed right?)

  60. Elle Maxim Says:

    @ Fiamma, Looks at her calendar, Mine says June 28th not July 1st.

  61. cyberpink Says:

    I just want to wish you the best of luck with this Lily xXx

  62. Xan Says:

    like Elle says:

    Rumours:
    Tiger was not the first person disappointed and lied by Hae 😦

    (Maybe, ask Mr T* H*)

  63. Marni Grut Says:

    This is so sad i dont know what to make of it all

    i just hope both partys resolve this as amicably as possible.

    I did read the whole post but i wont lie alot of the figured and legal jargon goes woosh over my head. SO chance are i missed somthing.

    But i feal sorry for both partys over this matter

    Marni

  64. flopsiemcardle Says:

    judge judy has proven that all the saints out there who show up at the peoples court, are not the total aggrieved paragons of virtue they make themselves out to be. they tend to conveniently only remember the parts that make their point. this is why we do have judges. because no one sees anything perfectly objectively. you would have to be platos philosopher kings to do so. and relatedly, judges look at disputes as degrees responsibility. no one is 100% blameless. ever.
    all that said. since we spectators are never gonna know what really happened, lets judge the 2 parties here by their subsequent actions, not on all this she said/she said bullshit. and kiddies? all this mud slinging by people that have no clue what happened? we arent in high school anymore. grow up.

  65. Shatteredshards Says:

    I am not a friend of anyone involved, but I will say two things:

    1. I am disgusted to find out this happened, after being given the impression that Calla was changing brand names to that other woman’s new line.

    2. I didn’t even realize that other woman was part of Calla until recently, which shows you just how much work Tigerlily put into it compared to that other woman.

    I’m checking out the new Calla sim now, and I doubt I’ll even bother visiting that other woman’s store.

  66. Bluey Tomsen Says:

    Having known both parties, this has certainly come as a shock. Having been “tied up” in my own SL businness I hadn’t heard what had transpired til now.

    Tiger what ever help you need.. whether it be land, builders, security or support of any kind, just yell.. My Estate and staff are there for you. You helped me when I first began, now let me help you in your new beginning.


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